Has anyone looked into the JV1080 VST or is using it with BIAB? I listened a demo and it sounded good to me, but I am not interested in the subscription service; $20 a month. I understand Roland will start a rewarding program; you pay one year and own one plug-in for good. Well, that is better than subscription only, but if you don't use other plugins, $240 for the JV1080 is high. Come to think of it, the annual ritual of PG Music coming out with a new version around X-Mas seems more like a subscription service. Once again, if a user needs all the new features in an upgrade, it many be worth it, but I have noticed over the last 25 years, I have not used much of the newer features in BIAB. So I decided to slow down and use what I got 2017 Everything and spend the money on other musical tools.

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On 1/9/2018 2:56 AM, reed2025@yahoo.com [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:

Has anyone looked into the JV1080 VST or is using it with BIAB? I listened a demo and it sounded good to me, but I am not interested in the subscription service; $20 a month. I understand Roland will start a rewarding program; you pay one year and own one plug-in for good. Well, that is better than subscription only, but if you don't use other plugins, $240 for the JV1080 is high. Come to think of it, the annual ritual of PG Music coming out with a new version around X-Mas seems more like a subscription service.

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Let me begin by saying I am not using it, nor do I intend to use it. However I do want to share some thoughts on the pricing model and the use of the term 'subscription.' I have a real bias here -- I hate true 'subscription' software. Much like I hate the concept of leasing a car. After I've paid a ton of money, I want to actually own that which I have paid for.
The Roland JV1080vst is a true 'subscription' -- you pay so much each month (or get a discount if you subscribe for the whole year at once) and you get to use the software as long as you pay the subscription fee. Stop paying and you no longer can use the software. The 'pay for a year and own one plug-in for good' is not a very good reward, in my opinion.
The annual ritual of PGMusic bringing out an upgrade every year in late November or early December is *not* a subscription service at all and I think it's important not to have people new to BIAB think that it's a subscription service. If any of us choose not to pay for any particular year's upgrade, we still get to continue using the version we have at that point for as long as we want to. PGMusic does *not* take away our ability to use the software we've paid for if we don't upgrade. We don't get to use the new features and upgrades we haven't paid for, but our ability to continue to use the program is not impinged in any manner if we don't upgrade.
That's a very big distinction between PGMusic/BIAB and the RolandCloud/JV1080vst -- Personally I like annual upgrades where I can make a personal decision whether to upgrade or not, whether the new material is worth it to me or not. I refuse to use true subscription software -- I want to be able to continue to use software I have paid for and not be told that after a period of years and significant financial outlay ($215/year if you pay Roland for the whole year at once) that if I feel I have paid enough (over $1000 if a person were to use it for 5 years) the company would then tell me 'sorry, sucker, no more pay, no more use.'
I realize that others may well not share my opinion of subscription software, but I did want to ensure that it is clear -- BIAB is *not* subscription software by any stretch of the definition of subscription.
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Thanks for your post. I agree to your 'hatred' against subscription. In fact, a lot of musicians must feel the same way because Roland 'had to' change their strategy with a reward program. Better than nothing. I would have signed for it if I thought JV1080 VST is worth a year subscription. Probably not.
You're right about making our own choice to either or not go for the expensive BIAB annual upgrade. From now on, it will be like every 4 or 5 years for me.
Chris